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@pixelschubsi #webxdc in #DeltaChat doesn't use #webrtc for real-time channels, please, I recommend you to read and try out things before spreading fake information
for your information webxdc uses #iroh for #p2p in DeltaChat
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@n0iroh at https://iroh.computer may be an interesting #p2p case study for you. #iroh is in turn used by @delta for instance.
You can read more on how #DeltaChat use iroh in their blog post at: https://delta.chat/en/2024-11-20-webxdc-realtime
Iroh's programming language used is #Rust though, but via the #WebAssembly support it may be usable in the languages you mention, but I am not sure.
iroh.computerirohless net work for networks
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@Junicast @kubikpixel Yes, building magic wormhole with iroh direct connections would be cool! Currently magic wormhole traffic is all relayed via a server AFAIK.
Iroh is open source, and you can self-host a relay. And iroh runs on mobiles. E.g. @delta does all of those things and integrates an #iroh relay in their #ChatMail server. And #DeltaChat runs on mobiles.
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The coolest part is that it has a LAN working over #iroh real-time channels. Everyone can assign self an IP address and ping each other, telnet etc.
with e2e encrypted forward secrecy connection between machines! 
Currently playing around with https://github.com/MightyShadow702/v86Emu-webxdc which leverages https://github.com/copy/v86 into DeltaChat. Effectively allowing you to run a 32 bit .iso file inside DeltaChat as a webxdc application.
Right now tcp/ip is wired up with realtime communication over iroh 
GitHubGitHub - MightyShadow702/v86Emu-webxdc: x86 emulator for Webxdc based on Copy's v86 emulatorx86 emulator for Webxdc based on Copy's v86 emulator - MightyShadow702/v86Emu-webxdc
Our #iroh relay servers are so blind to the traffic that they don't even know when #p2p #holepunching has succeeded for two nodes. Yet people keep asking what our hole punching rate is.
Honestly, we don't know! And we don't know how to find out without violating everyone's privacy. How to square this circle?
Some users of private centralised deployments tell us it is better than anything else they tried, hence they switched. But we don't have numbers, and who believes a claim like that?
Mastodonbjoern (@r10s@mastodon.social)it is extraordinary, how #deltachat #android, over all the years, with all the #features added, did manage not to grow in size
- version 1.0 from 2019 was 64 mb
- today's 1.54 is 53 mb :)
New video! Build #sendme into you app:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4cAkRTMT8
#filesharing with #iroh, #p2p
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#Iroh is a super fascinating project in the #LocalFirst ecosystem. You always have incredible progress in roadmap briefings, and a very good codebase + docs to get folks going.
Local-first is a next-gen computing paradigm.. one of paradigms that threaten cloud and browser vendor hegemonies.
One thing is problematic in local-fist land. There are N pioneers and N sync mechanisms / protocols.
Until there's any form of common open standards track things remain too risky technology bets.
Our friends at @delta are continuing to make #WebXDC an amazing platform: https://delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-notifications
The realtime #WebXDC APIs are built on top of #iroh #p2p connections in #DeltaChat. Glad to be playing a part in this!
delta.chatDelta Chat: Replacing billionairish platforms with ZIP files
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For the last several months I've been working on making a federated app.
I just finished migrating it to use the latest iteration of our new #leafprotocol data format on top of the #willowprotocol and so far it's going really well.
In this post I share some of the concepts and rational behind the Leaf Protocol:
https://zicklag.katharos.group/blog/introducing-leaf-protocol/
zicklag.katharos.groupIntroducing The Leaf ProtocolAn overview of the experimental Leaf Protocol for federated, local-first app development.
Cracked my #Iroh Jasmine Dragon tea cup with just enough of a hairline fracture it could no longer hold hot liquid. Thankfully, I could order a replacement. Without my Iroh cup, tea is nothing more than hot leaf juice. #Avatar #lastairbender
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@silverpill @smallcircles #iroh which is implementing the https://willowprotocol.org/ does all those things I want from a storage, connectivity, and replication standpoint.
If I were to implement the network that I'm imagining, I think I would probably still need Iroh, even if I supported ActivityPub.
But instead of supporting ActivityPub immediately, I'm trying to understand the smallest specification that I need to accomplish my goals.
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willowprotocol.orgWillow Specifications - WillowProtocols for synchronisable data stores. The best parts? Fine-grained permissions, a keen approach to privacy, destructive edits, and a dainty bandwidth and memory footprint.
Thoughts on making a "Web of Data" instead of a "Web of Pages", and how that might let us take a step away from the dominance of large, complicated browsers.
https://zicklag.katharos.group/blog/a-web-of-data/
The article is kind of a summary of responses I gave to @smallcircles 's interesting post and other replies here:
zicklag.katharos.groupA Web of DataThoughts on making a "Web of Data" instead of a "Web of Pages", and how that might let us take a step away from the dominance of large, complicated browsers.
There are many challenges when designing federated applications. Here I share thoughts that I've been developing with the Commune group, as we envision a fediverse of agents, not a fediverse of servers.
zicklag.katharos.groupHow to Federate?Thoughts on the challenges and design of federated software.
https://blog.commune.sh/weird-happenings/
After two months of development, a LOT has happened in the Weird project.
Weird is a web application built to increase the agency of internet users. We are building three interconnected pillars as our foundation:
* Independent social sign-in rooted in the OIDC standard as keymaster
* A personal web space creator
* An actually-social network of shared purpose
In two weeks we're starting our pilot with the Norwegian Buddhist Foundation!