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#NAFO @jmaris@eupolicy.socialGermany will literally do anything to avoid undoing the foolish #atomausstieg
Germany counts on back-up coal power plants to drive down prices - euractiv
https://www.euractiv.com/section/eet/news/germany-counts-on-back-up-coal-power-plants-to-drive-down-prices/
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@jmaris
1) What Germany are you talking about? Current government? Future Government? Population?
2) Note that you are talking about an #atomausstiegsausstiegausstiegausstieg. Now THAT really sounds foolish.
@Gormfull all of them. Merkel started it but everyone has continued the delusion. Now they want to destroy the planet even more by burning more coal rather than admitting to their mistake and reversing it.
@jmaris Please note, the issue is more complex than that.
The original Atomausstieg was done by Schroeder in (I think) 2002. It was reversed by Merkel in 2009 or 2010. After Fukushima the reversal was reversed in 2011. Now, even if germany would re-re-re-verse its stance, the guarantees that any commercial provider of nuclear would justifiably need, in case Germany turned around again, would make Germany the most expensive place for nuclear in the world.
@jmaris
And arguably, nuclear is not that cheap anyway.
Please also note that while German energy is far from clean it has, over the past decades, become substantially cleaner than it used to be (with an all time low in CO2/KWh in 2024). It is expected that due to all the renewable project having obtained permission in the past 2-3 years, this trend will supposedly continue.
@jmaris what frustrates me the most is that phasing out nuclear power has always been the main existential objective of the German greens.
I hope that the German Green party is happy now - nuclear is finally out, and it allows coal to come back from the backdoor to provide that baseline that is now missing.
A whole generation of green leaders in Germany stuck on 1980s ideological dogmas is still failing to make room to a more pragmatic new generation, and Germany’s energy transition is paying the price of it.
@gvs I don't believe Belgium is currently using any coal. The green deal isn't a bad thing: renewables + nuclear Is the way to go imho
We strongly disagree, whatever problems there are with our planet and environment, all these programs are just there to steal more money and won't make one difference. The effects are already that our EU industry is packing up shop and moving to China where there CO2 is not a concern. The net result is not 0, it's negative.
@jmaris the Atomausstieg may have been a mistake, but there's absolutely no point in reversing that now. If you start planning a new nuclear plant now, it'll be finished by 2040 if you're lucky. Way too late to help figut climate change
@nightoo you're planning for our current energy needs, not those after electrification. As demand grows so does our generation needs. If you fill the gap with renewables then you don't have a pilotable grid and it becomes more and more unreliable. Germany had already seen this as it has to import (nuclear) power from it's neighbours, putting up prices for everyone else.
Nuclear is always on and pilotable. The only other such alternatives are fossil fuels.
@jmaris half the point of a sustainable energy transition is to reduce our energy needs, not increase them.
Germany seems to have increased its imports of renewables from other countries by the way, while nuclear imports have remained pretty much unchanged. Instead, they shut down 7 coal plants last year because they weren't needed.
@nightoo there are several plants which could be brought back online if the political will is there. I'm fed up of my electricity prices paying for Germany's recklessness, and so are many other Europeans.
@jmaris
The first point is difficult to argue about. The only ones currently believing that's possible are the nuclear lobby apparently. The operators themselves don't think it's possible for various reasons.
The idea that you are paying for German electricity prices also seems to be wrong. Germany's electricity production increased after the Atomausstieg, and imports of nuclear haven't changed.
I can highly recommend this report: https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/Q-A-Germany-s-nuclear-exit-One-year-after.html
Especially section 4