@janvlug #Signal is better than #WhatsApp, but still centralized. The entire world depending on a Single organization is not very sustainable. We have Quicksy and Prav both giving the same convenience of Signal without lock-in. #Quicksy and #Prav users can talk to each other and to any other #XMPP app.

To actually practice the freedom to improve a software, we should be able to self host the server part (not necessarily each person has to self host, but that option can offer real choice).

@iznogoud @xmpp indeed, contact discovery is an identified issue.

There are some answers, such as Snikket from @snikket_im which uses an invitation mechanism, or Quicksy authored by @daniel which uses phone number as other IM platforms.

I have ideas for another decentralized contact discovery mechanism, but lacking time to work on it and specify it right now. @debacle is also interested in working on such specification.

There are also public search mechanisms.

@bshankar I wanted to comment on your blog post https://bshankar.pages.dev/getting-family-on-xmpp/ (saw it on fsci group)

#Quicksy would have been the simpler option for most people. But unfortunately Quicksy is mostly driven by a single person from Germany and mass adoption and publicity seem to be not a priority for them. So we are trying to promote the idea of Quicksy through a cooperative run project called @prav You are welcome to join this effort to take the idea Quicksy to the masses.

@maple @ronald With Quicksy, #XMPP can provide the same level of convenience provided by apps like #WhatsApp, #Telegram or #Signal to people who don't accept the complexity of traditional xmpp apps. But unlike those other apps, #Quicksy don't lock you. People who want to talk to Quicksy users can use any XMPP app. I think trying to push our choice of not using phone number on everyone does not help #XMPP adoption. Let people choose if they want to share phone number or not.

@maple @ronald For easy onboarding, you can suggest your contacts to use #Quicksy, which allows sign up using phone number. It is an #XMPP app, so people who don't want to provide their phone number don't have to use Quicksy and can still connect using other XMPP apps/services.

@mastodonmigration Obligatory reminder that #Signal relies on a centralized and proprietary server, and does not belong here.

Users of #WhatsApp #Telegram #Discord #Signal and #Threema etc should use #XMPP instead, which is #FreeSoftware and federated.

Users - check out #Quicksy (Android and iOS), #Prav, #Conversations, #Cheogram, #MonoclesChat, #Gajim, #Movim, #Monal...

Self-hosters, check out #Snikket.

Learn more with this user's guide -
https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html

@samuel yes! You mean emoji reactions right? #Conversations (the "flagship' Android client so to speak) added support for them recently

#Quicksy as well as downstream clients like #Cheogram and #Monocles should be having it too (I believe Monocles actually implemented support before Conversations did)

https://gultsch.social/@daniel/113338241811381298

@rysiek @kkarhan @agturcz An awful lot of people say they've used #XMPP "a while back". But they're often unaware of the best of XMPP, and have an unfairly negative view of it.

Did you happen to try...

...#Snikket for hosting?
https://snikket.org

...apps like #Quicksy and #Prav which use phone numbers for easy onboarding, same as #Signal #WhatsApp or #Telegram?
https://quicksy.im
https://prav.app

...featureful clients like #Cheogram #MonoclesChat #Gajim #Movim etc?

@kuketzblog Für die, die den "Aufwand" scheuen, einen Client und Server aus der Föderation auszuwählen, ist #Quicksy ein (noch) niedrigschwelligerer Einstieg in #XMPP aka #Jabber. (Vielleicht als Empfehlung an die denkfaulen Freunde mit der kurzen Aufmerksamkeitsspanne... Wer hingegen selbst im #Fediverse unterwegs ist, kommt mit Server- und Clientwahl ja sicher klar.)
https://quicksy.im/