Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@dalias" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>dalias</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span><br><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://troet.cafe/@pixelschubsi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>pixelschubsi</span></a></span> </p><p>Also the <a href="https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/113999748481227961" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">blatant dismissal</a> of absolitely basic <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> is just flabberghasting.</p><ul><li>It's inherently wrong to <em>put all eggs in one basket</em> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> being not shut down like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SkyECC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SkyECC</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a> makes it just as sus as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationIronside</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperatioTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperatioTrøjanShield</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoAG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoAG</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MINERVA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MINERVA</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RUBIKON" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RUBIKON</span></a>.</li></ul><p>Only <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/decentralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>decentralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenStandards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenStandards</span></a> can actuall survive long-term and remain <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/secure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>secure</span></a>.</p><ul><li>Otherwise we'd all gaslight ourselves into ignoring the hard lessions we learned that bought us to the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fediverse</span></a> and why we ain't on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitter</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tumblr" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tumblr</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BrownSky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BrownSky</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NSAbook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NSAbook</span></a> (any more)!</li></ul><p>It's the same reasons we use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGPG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGPG</span></a>/MIME & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SSH" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SSH</span></a> and not <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/X400" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>X400</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/X25" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>X25</span></a>!</p><ul><li>Unlike with <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> one doesn't has to trust the provider or app. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> works regardless if you use <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> or <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> or do <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> and only trust code you wrote yourself...</li></ul><p>IOW: Think <em>"How can you weaponize Signal?"</em> and see what you csn do <em>just holding key people in contempt</em>...</p><ul><li>And I'm not even talkibg about <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> - <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Backdoors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Backdoors</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MassSurveillance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MassSurveillance</span></a> alike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Room651A" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Room651A</span></a>, but just <em>duely submitted warrants</em> that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> <em>will comply with</em>... </li></ul><p>The less <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/info" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>info</span></a> a provider has, the less they can be forced to snitch upon customers.</p><ul><li>So even if you don't give a shit that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> makes this a <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CantUse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CantUse</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WintUse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WintUse</span></a>"</em> (out of US-centrist privilegue to not comply <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a>) for many, it's still dishonest.</li></ul><p><em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JustUseSgnal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JustUseSgnal</span></a>!"</em> is a form of <em>dangerous "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechPopulism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechPopulism</span></a>"</em> aimed at bamboozling <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterates</span></a> <em>who don't know better</em>, abusing information asymetry to <em>pull rank</em> instead of investing the time and effort to *explain "how" and "why" this is indeed a good or bad idea.</p><ul><li>There's a reason why <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://venera.social/profile/tails_live" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tails_live</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@tails" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tails</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tails" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tails</span></a> doesn't include <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> and why I'll say it again that XMPP+OMEMO over <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> is the gold standard in terms of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>security</span></a> when it comes to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> that isn't <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/airgapped" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>airgapped</span></a> aka. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdab4T_CoN8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>"Airgapped PGP"</em></a>.</li></ul><p>The only ones that have a chance to beat that are <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> but that's just <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> in a nice UI...</p><ul><li>You may now laugh at me and think my <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TinfoilHat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TinfoilHat</span></a> sits too tight"</em> but I'm shure sooner or later I'll be evidenced as <em>correct</em>...</li></ul>
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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@HonkHase" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>HonkHase</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>GrapheneOS</span></a></span> +1 </p><p>Indeed I've to dive deeper into <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GrapheneOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GrapheneOS</span></a>'s security geatures.</p><ul><li>Pretty shure you also have a <em>"decoy mode" password</em> implemented that wipes all tue keys if not go as far as to show a fake unlocked android.</li></ul><p>Kinda <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA1KS-xh0n0&t=125s" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">like</a> <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ArcaneOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ArcaneOS</span></a>"</em> (a botched <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@LineageOS" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>LineageOS</span></a></span> fork) but without <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Backdoors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Backdoors</span></a>...</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationIronside</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationTrøjanShield</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p>You use XMPP+OMEMO because you think it's neat.</p><p>I use XMPP+OMEMO because all centralized, single-vendor and/or single-provider messengers are inherently garbage, collect PII like <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/111968251463697943" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">phone numbers</a> for no <em>"legitimate reason"</em> and don't offer proper End-to-End - Encryption with self-custody of all the keys, making them either honeypots or prime targets for warrants.</p><ul><li><em>We are not the same!</em></li></ul><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WeAreNotTheSame" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WeAreNotTheSame</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Centralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Centralization</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Encryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Encryption</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Honeypot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Honeypot</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Warrant" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Warrant</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telegram</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationIronside</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationTrøjanShield</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://freiburg.social/@ditol" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ditol</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@samueljohn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>samueljohn</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://23.social/@linuzifer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>linuzifer</span></a></span> </p><p><em>THIS</em> is where I disagree...</p><p>You may think it's elitist, but if people are too lazy to learn even fundamentals like how to use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tails" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tails</span></a> then maybe they should just not do <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tech</span></a> at all?</p><ul><li>Like: We expect people to show at the every least theoretical proficiency in terms of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TrafficCode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TrafficCode</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VehicleSafety" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VehicleSafety</span></a> in +every juristiction I'm aware of* and literally mandated <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DrivingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DrivingLicense</span></a>|s for that reason.</li></ul><p>I'll gladly teach <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterates</span></a> but I won't waste my time on <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113344834546549105" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">people that spread disinfo</a>...</p><p>It's 2024: <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://venera.social/profile/tails_live" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tails_live</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@tails" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tails</span></a></span> has been out for over a decade and there are a shitload of guides ranging from written documentation to Zoomer-friendly TikTok-Style shorts on how to get started.</p><ul><li><p>I don't expect people to do <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/airgapped" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>airgapped</span></a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdab4T_CoN8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">pffline-PGP</a> but with <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>thunderbird</span></a></span> including <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Enigmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Enigmail</span></a> and not requiring any external dependencies like the god-awful <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GPG4Win" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GPG4Win</span></a> stuff's easier than ever.</p></li><li><p>Same with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mobile" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mobile</span></a>: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Appls" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Appls</span></a> like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> are so easy, I've been able to onboard literal tech-illiterates remotely with few steps and <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/apps/chat.app/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">simple instructions</a>. </p></li></ul><p>FOR THE LAST TIME: </p><p>*STOP MAKING EXCUSES TO JUSTIFY ESCALATING COMMITMENT TO EVIDENTLY BAD SOLUTIONS!"</p><ul><li>Cuz <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">when push comes to shove</a> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> herself would introduce a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/backdoor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>backdoor</span></a> into <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> when faced with indefinite jailtime...</li></ul><p>Whereas with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the keys as well as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ReproduceableBuilds" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ReproduceableBuilds</span></a> and <em>real</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/decentralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>decentralization</span></a>, this would be evidently impossible even if all the devs wanted to comply honestly and not just because they could be held at gunpoint.</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> is not your friend. It's merely a tax-exempt <em>"non-profit"</em> corporation, and corporations are explicitly nobodys friend - espechally when they demand <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/111968251463697943" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">phone numbers</a> for useage.</li></ul><p>Compare that to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a> where you do pay like €2 p.m. but in return get <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/standard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>standard</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/protocols" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>protocols</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IMAP</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMTP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SMTP</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> and <a href="https://monocles.eu/more/#payment-section" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">can pay anonymously</a> and not have to provide any PII whatsoever!</p><ul><li>And unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> they ain't dependent on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VC</span></a> funding and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/grant" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>grant</span></a> money to keep the lights on.</li></ul><p>Make of that what you will, but just like allowing flatearthers to roam freely without caretaker supervision doesn't make the world less round, so won't the facts change about <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a>. </p><ul><li>The only reason Signal is still online and not <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/pwned" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>pwned</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a> is because it's either a Sting op like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationIronside</span></a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationTrøjanShield</span></a> or they have already backdoored their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/backend" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>backend</span></a> so hard that all their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/marketing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>marketing</span></a> is just <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/lies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>lies</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Apple</span></a>...<br></li></ul><p>Because all <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solutions are bad, and if they don't even allow for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> then they are just a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/grift" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>grift</span></a> to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>scam</span></a> tech-illiterates that don't know and/or don't care! </p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/thxbye" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>thxbye</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EOD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EOD</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>GrapheneOS</span></a></span> I think <em>both</em> apps are shit as *both <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telegram</span></a> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> demand <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> in the form of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>.</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> at least has their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/client" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>client</span></a>'s source code published so similar to like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tarsnap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tarsnap</span></a> it's more trustworthy by virtue of better <em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/transparency" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>transparency</span></a></em>...</li></ul><p>OFC Telegram is (by my personal observation) almost exclusively being used by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scammers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scammers</span></a> and other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterate</span></a> criminals.</p><ul><li>Trusting Telegram is like trusting <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationIronside</span></a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationTrøjanShield</span></a>: It literally has <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Backdoors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Backdoors</span></a> because the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UAE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UAE</span></a> of all plaves would've swatted their <em>"HQ"</em> if not forved <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Durov" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Durov</span></a> at gunpoint to integrate it into it if it wasn't there...</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://soc.schuerz.at/profile/jakob" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jakob</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://gruene.social/@AussenMa" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>AussenMa</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> </p><p>Und obwohl <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> durch <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Chatkontrolle" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Chatkontrolle</span></a>"</em> zur integration von <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> - <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Backdoors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Backdoors</span></a> gezwungen werden könnten - <em>falls <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> nicht bereits ein <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HoneyPot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HoneyPot</span></a> alla <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/operationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>operationIronside</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationTrøjanShield</span></a> ist</em> - so wird keine <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Prohibition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prohibition</span></a> die <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Realit%C3%A4t" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Realität</span></a> ändern oder <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sichere" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sichere</span></a> (also <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dezentrale" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>dezentrale</span></a>, auf Basis von <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MultiVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MultiProvide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MultiProvide</span></a> - Standards umgesetzte) <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Kommunikation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Kommunikation</span></a> unterbinden können...</p><p>Genausowenig wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EUgunban" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EUgunban</span></a> die Entwicklung des <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FGC9" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FGC9</span></a> verhindert hat...</p><p>Das einzige was <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CyberfaschistischeKackshice" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CyberfaschistischeKackshice</span></a> wie jene <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AnlassloseMassen%C3%BCberwachung" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AnlassloseMassenüberwachung</span></a> tun wird, ist Menschen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/kriminalisieren" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>kriminalisieren</span></a> - und wenn das zuviele sind dann könnte es passieren dass jene Menschen mit dem Staat brechen und sich sagen <em>'Shice drauf!'</em> und dann erst richtig kriminell werden weil es für diese dann keinen Unterschied mehr macht...</p>
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