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Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🔪 🙄

Just as old:
Smalltalk-80: Bits of History
archive.org/details/Bits_Of_Hi
#retrocomputing #smalltalk

Slightly less shitty scan of the cover below.

The cover is really just awful. Like, I think less of Smalltalk (which I have professionally programmed in) because of this cover. The more I look the worse it gets.

GFA, made basically solo by Frank, went with all black & text, and it still looks awesome. This, made by a $1B+ corporation, tried to do graphics but couldn't hire a skilled chimp.

Smalltalk-80 Bits of history, words of advice bad tree, balloon, minaret, construction workers view outside window, with fallen wine bottles, little person with magnifying glass. Glenn Krasner
SmalltQlk-80: Bits of History, Words of Advice provides insights into the impiementotion of the Smaiitaik-80 system — a personoi, inte¬ grated, interactive programming environment. It will be of value to Smalltalk-80 system implementors, as well as to system program¬ mers in general. This book is organized into four sections. The first section contains papers discussing the history of the Smalltalk-80 system, and in par¬ ticular the development of the Smailtalk-80 Virtual Machine. In the second section the authors discuss their implementation experi¬ ences The third section provides measurements of key parts of the implementations The papers in the fourth section describe the future paths that Smalltalk-80 implementors may take. The authors of these papers are affiliated with five different corpo¬ rations and two universities Glenn Krasner, the editor, is a member of the Software Concepts Group at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center (PARC). This book of implementation considerations is the second in a series of four books on the Smalltalk-80 programming environment Other books in the Addison-Wesley Smalltalk-80 Series: Smalltalk-80: The Language and Its Implementation (11371-6) Smalltalk-80: The Interactive Programming Environment (11372-4) Smalltalk-80: Creating a User Interface and Graphical Applications
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Jack William Bell

Here's a blast from the past! I got this VHS tape at some now forgotten convention back in the early 1990s, directly from the Borland booth. My grandson came across this while packing some books up for me.

At the time I had already learned about #OOP from using a cracked version of a commercial #Smalltalk implementation I downloaded from a BBS, but C++ and ObjectPascal were still in my future.

I should digitalize this video!

The front of a VHS tape case titled, 'The World of Objects, with Philippe Kahn". The subtitle is, "Featuring Alan Kay, Marvin Minsky, Bjarne Stroustrup, Joseph Weizenbaum, Nicklous Wirth". It has an abstract image featuring a globe and some other spheres, with colored shadows.
The back of the VHS tape case, with text describing the contents, blurbs by Alan Kay and Bjarne Stroustrup, and short bios of the people featured.
#programming#history#WTF
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Jan D

Also wondering: Are game dev environments where a lot smalltalk’s design ideas (as a development environment, not just the language) still thrive whereas most other things are plaintext + glorified editors? (other exception: Lazarus, but game dev is far more popular than object pascal)

#smalltalk#UX
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Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🔪 🙄

@screwtape @dougmerritt "Objective-C combines the expressive power of C with the speed & performance of Smalltalk." :)

ST is an incredibly powerful tool, but it's trapped in the GUI, and an outdated one, it's not really expressive in code itself. Its performance is so crippling. And you can't disentangle "a program" from the workbench, you ship the workbench to the client, which sucks ass.

Java and Objective-C got the good parts and you can make applications in them.
#smalltalk

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DougMerritt (log😅 = 💧log😄)

@screwtape
However, the workaround, so that you need not wait an unbounded and unguessable amount of time, is to go to the post's home server.

(The post is about "I like all #programming languages but I have only a few that are my favourites. #Smalltalk is one of those few. But all the current open-source implementations still sport that Smalltalk-80, last-Century chic look....[back then Smalltalk] looked positively fresh, futuristic, and fun. But that look is now 45 years old." Etc.)

In the hopefully unlikely absence of still further errors, it should then be immediately readable -- although I believe *replying* to such a thing still results in that remote-to-you server telling your Mastodon client to take you back to your home server to make the reply.

I forget if I always have to actually follow the person who posted as an additional step in that reply.

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amen zwa, esq.

I like all #programming languages but I have only a few that are my favourites. #Smalltalk is one of those few. But all the current open-source implementations still sport that Smalltalk-80, last-Century chic look.

I learned the language on the XEROX Smalltalk-80 system, so this look-and-feel holds that certain nostalgic charm for me. And when we were all using the VT100 terminal, Smalltalk's bitmap graphics and MVC GUI looked positively fresh, futuristic, and fun. But that look is now 45 years old. My goodness, let us just get over those garish colours and serif fonts, already!

These days, #Pharo's look-and-feel is perhaps the least offensive to the modern eye. But even it has that mouldy, cheesy look.

I am perfectly happy to use the classic Smalltalk-80 language in its original form; its design is ageless. But I find no technical, economical, practical, or aesthetic justifications for retaining that 1980s' look-and-feel in the 2025 implementations.

#Smalltalk80
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Paolo Amoroso

The Xerox PARC alumni who contribute to the Medley Interlisp project shared the buttons they collected at computing conferences in the 1980s and 1990s such as AAAI, IJCAI, SIGGRAPH.

The buttons are awesome and span a range of languages and systems such as Interlisp, Lisp Machines, Smalltalk, Unix, Modula-2, Mesa, Pilot, and more. Be sure to go through the whole thread.

groups.google.com/g/lispcore/c

groups.google.comConference buttons
#retrocomputing#interlisp#lisp
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