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Don't know whether anybody of you guys uses #Apple Mail but I'd rather be careful:

linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:l

TL;DR: UI prefers #STARTTLS over #TLS for #IMAP (but actually for some reason uses both ports). Apple Product Security doesn't see a reason for immediate action.

My bottom line: a) Apple doesn't take security as relevant as they say b) there are probably lots of users like I was who have STARTTLS configured and don't know that.

I recommend to check whether you're affected. If so I'd configure that as recommended above and change your passwords.

www.linkedin.com#Apple #Mail.app and #Notes.app still use STARTTLS IMAP protocol as a default? | Dirk Wetter#Apple #Mail.app and #Notes.app still use STARTTLS IMAP protocol as a default? Just did a "lsof -i Pn" on my macbook to learn that Apple Mail used for two providers of mine both port 143 (insecure *) #STARTTLS #IMAP) and port 993 (IMAP over #TLS) which I wouldn't have expected in 2020ies from a company which claims to put security and privacy first. For sure I didn't explicitly configure this. Turns out the checkbox in Accounts => Advanced and then ~"configure connection preferences automatically" (German: Verbindungseinstellungen automatisch verwalten" ) is the culprit. If one unchecks that port 143 was configured. And if you uncheck that and choose 993 instead, restart the Mail.app (and Notes.app) everything is fine. How about your settings? Still using IMAP+STARTTLS on your #Mac? *) STARTTLS is a plaintext protocol which is known for 10++ years prone to MitM attacks

#Apple #Mail.app + #Notes.app still use #STARTTLS #IMAP protocol as a default?

Did a "lsof -i Pn" on my Macbook to learn that Mail used for my providers both port 143 (insecure STARTTLS) + port 993 (#TLS). For sure I didn't explicitly configure this.

The checkbox in Accounts => Advanced and then ~"configure connection preferences automatically" is the culprit. Unchecking that, choose port 993 instead of 143 , restart the Mail.app (and Notes.app) everything is fine.

@ Apple : #wtf ?

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🧵 2/5 Further, the “native” connection to EWS/OWA within Thunderbird is only available in 140 when you enable a custom setting (search for “ews”). What you see in the new Account Hub will depend on whether that custom setting is enabled.

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🧵 5/5 TbSync was a small challenge because, as has happened in the past with major Thunderbird updates, it was declared unsupported and automatically disabled by Thunderbird 140esr. Following the instructions in github.com/jobisoft/TbSync/iss (file-based reinstall of TbSync and EAS-4-TbSync) resolves the issue for now.

GitHubTB-Sync does not work with TB 140.0 ? · Issue #753 · jobisoft/TbSyncBy Thunderfan1980
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🧵 3/5 Right now, Exchange requires add-ons to work. Usually this means TbSync or OWL. Each of these has its own set of features and limitations to consider. Account Hub will show you Exchange in two flavors… one says “add-on required” and the other doesn’t. It’s the latter one that is the native integration in experimental form at this time (and does email ONLY for now).

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🧵 4/5 Until now, I have been using IMAP+SMTP, and TbSync for address books and calendars. After going through a few iterations, I have now settled on using Exchange (native, experimental) accounts (yes, plural) for email and sticking with TbSync for calendars and address books.

For a brief moment in time, #mutt was the perfect #email program for me, I had it configured just right, it really took email work off my hands. I tried it again many years ago, maybe with mutt-ng, but I remember configuring it was a nightmare, especially with several #IMAP servers, using different #SMTP.s for different accounts, automatically detecting and switching sender addresses, etc.
Any chance anyone has a suggestion how I should approach this to substitute Thunderbird at least partly?

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@hanscees oh, me too. I have a PhD in CS. My mate hosts my e-mail, which I access via . Trying to host calendars and contacts there would be another option.

is somehow currently also fucking up… deleting messages on one device isn't reflected on others until you quit Mail.

Developing the twom database for Cyrus IMAP,
by Bron Gondwana at Fastmail (@fastmail).

"""
TIL: fcntl isn’t fair. Releasing the lock didn’t magically let a waiting writer proceed, the same process would often pick up the lock again without giving another process a chance. On busy files, writers could entirely starve.
"""

fastmail.com/blog/introducing-

Fastmail · Introducing the twom database formatWe replaced the twoskip database format with something faster and better.
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@timixretroplays yikes...

Tho granted all #Freemailers are shit and some like web.de & gmx.de do force people to login on their website so their accounts don't get wiped.

  • They also do the dick move of disabling #IMAP & #SMTP per default (at leadt they don't paywall it like @protonprivacy does!)

Personally I use #aliases & forwarder for inbound eMails.

web.deWEB.DE - kostenlose E-Mail-Adresse, FreeMail & NachrichtenSichere Kommunikation, aktuelle Nachrichten und nützliche Online-Services - alles an einem Ort. Einfach, kostenlos und zuverlässig.

I just re-remembered that if I'd composed a bit of writing on my email client on one machine, I'd have been able to continue on another with no fuss and bother. it would "just be there."

We had a lot of The Cloud we needed with #IMAP back in 1986.

Anybody ever had problems with an #iphone and #IMAP on a #selfhosted #email server? Feel free to boost for fun.

I was just helping my wife and her mail app (iPhone 13, iOS 18.3.2) would just spin saying “connecting”. I’m standing next to her, with my iPhone 13 Pro, iOS 18.3.2 and I’m on the same WiFi checking email on the same server just fine.

I tried a bunch of things. Rebooting, using cellular data instead of WiFi, closing the mail app and opening it again. Nothing fixed it. The root cause seems to have been low power mode. Her battery was low; so the phone was in low power mode. I plugged it in, took it out of low power mode, and poof! Mail connects just fine.

This is reproducible. If I go to low power mode and pull down on the screen to try to fetch, no imap. It just spins saying “connecting.” Come out of low power mode, imap is fine and fast. One thing we both do that is not the default is fetch email. The default is to push, and the phone polls quite often. I figure that’s a waste of battery, so we have ours set to fetch every 30 minutes. I’m a bit of a nut, so there are probably LOTS of other things that are not the default.

Anybody have any ideas?

I’m sure all of us have used low power mode before, and I’m fairly sure I’ve checked email under low power mode. I’ve never seen this before. #selfhosting

@delta @feld @adbenitez
I've been trying #deltachat with #chatmail and normal #imap server the last few days (since my last messages). One thing I miss is a device management feature. For example, in case a device gets lost, I would like to be able to remove access. Afaik this is still not supported, correct? In that case, what would be the best way to discuss this as a feature proposal?

I've been working on a document