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Background: #Meta had outlined in depth how all other instances of personal data cross-use and combination across services have now a real consent screen included that enables people to choose data use or "less personalised but equivalent" alternatives; aka not paid (as required by DMA Art 5.2).

Just not for #surveillance ads, presumably because this would impact Meta's bottom line.

Next on in #Meta's #DMA compliance workshop:

#WhatsApp #interoperability

#Meta lobbyist: "Nothing in this space is as secure and tried and tested as the #Signal protocol."

CC @signalapp

In any event, it sounds like #WhatsApp is planning to make #interoperability opt-in only; but not in the way I suggested, which is give WA users a yes/no button when a non-WA user asks to connect, just like #Signal does already for Signal users.

I interpret #Meta's response to my question as meaning that WA users will have to actively switch on interop in the settings before people can ping them.

Today: #DMA compliance workshop with #Alphabet / #Google :)

While Alphabet seems to be better in terms of the new #browser & #search choice screens, they have a strange view regarding their new obligation to allow un-installing pre-installed apps like #PlayStore or #Gmail:

Alphabet's lobbyists argue un-install and remove are two different things and as the #DigitalMarketsAct's Art 6(3) only mandates un-install but not removal, the current "deactivation" feature in Android would be enough.

Funny to see how even almost 10 years after, #Alphabet employees here keep on calling their company "#Google", regardless of whether they come from the #Chrome, #Youtube, or #Android teams :)

Haha #Google bitches against #Apple: "We allow 3rd party app stores, #sideloading, automatic updates for sideloaded apps, and #PWA for free."

If you needed any more proof that the so-called #AppAssociation #ACT is an #Apple front, their lobbyist just asked #Google whether it wasn't worried that 3rd party app stores are dangerous to users and would put a control process in place (like Apple does).

OK I'm back after the lunch break, and the #Google / #Alphabet compliance workshop is heating up nicely:

They're talking Google Shopping and #selfpreferencing and competitors are accusing Google openly to be like a "dictator" and "blatantly non-compliant" with the #DMA.

Wow, #Google's engineering lead claims that they had 3,000 employees working for 2 years full-time to implement the #DMA's article 5(2) prohibition of cross-sharing or combining people's personal data across services without #consent.

tl;dr wrap-up from my 3rd day of #DMA compliance workshops with #gatekeepers: while #Google / #Alphabet seems to fare slightly better than #Apple in terms of compliance plans (from a digital rights perspective that is, I'm sure price comparison and hotel industries would disagree), there is still some way to go before the proposed changes can be called satisfactory.

And just to be clear: Google is still a terrible #privacy violator, the DMA will hardly change that.

@santiago @ilumium hmm, I don't think that's entirely true. Google makes a lot of money at very high profit margins from Google Play. They are not DMA compliant, they just have a very different strategy than Apple. #Android started how being open source to attract developers, so Google built their monopoly upon a more open platform. To do so, they've mastered dark patterns, nudging, and security as monopoly enforcement integrated into the best tech in key areas (e.g. search).

@eighthave @ilumium Note that I am not saying they don’t make money elsewhere but last data I saw was still 80% (?) of Google revenue was advertising. Maybe two years ago. I imagine they try to get out of it which is now happening with higher prices for the services we have become entangled in.

@santiago @ilumium I also believe that's true. The mobile apps are the key way to keep the product's (e.g. the users) eyes staring at screens so they can serve ads to them. Ads are hooked into Google's Android offerings as well. If they lose market share there, they lose ad revenue.