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Would you upload your biometric data to a central database to save border agents time during travel security checks?
The European Commission is asking for feedback on a proposal to digitalise passports - but we raise several big concerns.
https://edri.org/our-work/pre-travel-controls-digitalising-travel-documents/
@edri Fuck no! That’s disaster waiting to happen. Let them build a wall :)
@edri That'a a bif fucking NOoo 
sensitive data should never leave the owner of it
No way, not ever
@edri this is indeed a disaster waiting to happen. How do we know how and how long the data will be stored? And it optional, but I expect not using it will become quite cumbersome in the future.
But one positive thing is that they explicitly exclude fingerprints this time.
@edri I already don't trust the local gov taking my fingerprints and storing it for a few months in order to get it on my eID. No way I would trust a system where my biometric data is stored in a EU wide system. That's bonkers. An accident waiting to happen.
Instead of preventing ID fraud, it would enhance it. Once leaked, there's no way back.
@edri Absolutely no way i would do that.
@edri IIUC, passports are technically a convenience to begin with. Your right to enter the EU is guaranteed by your citizenship, not the existence or state of a document. Of course it would be a longer process to enter w/out a passport.
So I’m thinking in terms of a protest. If many people refuse a biometric passport the system would be clusterfucked w/labor-intensive verifications when they re-enter the EU w/out one.
I guess the snag is ppl would have a hard time leaving the EU w/out a passport in the first place. Perhaps only dual citizens could participate in this kind of protest.
@bojkotiMalbona @edri I mean, if you're just travelling through the Schengen are you don't need the passport at all. I imagine this would be a replacement for the passport, it makes no sense otherwise.
@edri Yes. Fingerprints are no secret. You leave them everywhere.
@tml @edri I suspect that most people have no reason to think that their fingerprints are being sought for nefarious purposes.
My concern is ordinary people going about their normal business and suddenly finding themselves in a world or trouble because their fingerprints were identified at a crime scene.
Put "misidentified fingerprints" into your fav. web search tool for any number of examples.
@edri No, absolutely not.
@edri Once again, repeat after me: Biometric data is at best a USERNAME, not a PASSWORD. It is information anyone can obtain by looking at us, or getting something our fingers touched.
@edri no, I would not ... but also, don't they already have that? Had to give my 5 fingerprints just to get a passport in ny country
@edri No. It will be hacked sooner or later, or will be leaked mistakenly. Nobody wants to see their fingerprints at large. That’s a bad bad idea
@edri
Hell, no!
I can't get new ones if you compromised our data.
@edri Isn‘t my biometric data already in a European databases anyway? They stored in when I applied for a passport.
@edri How about decentralised databases like, multi-device identity confirmation.
Trust by ? machines you carry with you any-way? +cloud.
@boiert @edri
For those interested, this might require a new legal term: IICTS (Independent Integrated Computer Terminal System) instead of the regular ‘Terminal’; wich allows each device to maintain its own secure storage.
A person would only be authenticated when multiple of these devices confirm their identity.
Even passports have become devices with their own secure storage! (We might need a new term for those as well, no UI elements -> Smart Objects?)
@edri It could trigger a black market for body parts... reference the film "Minority Report"...
@edri As an ex-pat living in Denmark, I have to register my biometric data with the Danish govt. However, I would not be too happy about that information being available any further than that.
@edri AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Who keeps coming up with these ridiculous ideas based on the incorrect assumption that handling personal data doesn't have great and terrible consequences?
@edri save time doing what exactly?
My answer is no, it won’t save time only effort expended by border patrolling staff, as each individual traveler now has to go through the motions of validating their travel documentation. You have a brittle, externally manipulatable system by anyone with computer skills + motivation.
Where is the data that shows who “saves” time they are now “spending” and how much time?
@edri it wouldn’t even be more efficient due to stupidity. Last time I flew out of Schiphol, there were new (to me) automatic passport scanners. Most people took an absolute age getting through. But what took the biscuit was the fact that just beyond the scanner, a human manually checked everything again. Farcical