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@pmroman I don't think they care about policies, they want vibes. 27 different vibes as we have 27 elections, not 1. From the warm caress of the EPP oligarch telling them they can hug the combustion engine tightly and NOTHING will EVER have to change in their lives just because the climate is collapsing, to the stomping of little feet about the national government because it's consequence-free and who cares about the EU anyway, to great defenders of Ukraine with putinist allies, to Ukraine

@Veza85UE Yep, and still the vote against the system means something, it speaks of unhappiness. We must address that ASAP.

@pmroman Sometimes, as we know from many, many studies of all the car salesmen, dentists, and well-off semi rural gentry (not to mention the chateau-owning winemakers) who simply despise democratic institutions and pluralism, it speaks of a profound sociopathy and desire to see democracy destroyed because it won't let them treat minorities/women/workers/grape pickers they exploit like garbage.

@Veza85UE Yep, is it nature or nurture?

@pmroman Smarter, more educated people have probably published papers on the topic. Do the children of the RN chateau-owning MPs ("Soutien aux nos agriculteurs caudillos qui nous nourrissent ! " one of Europe's most common toxic vibes)
have any chance of growing up without a sense of entitlement and will to profit off of exploiting others? I don't know, but the woe is them, they're not bigots, just left behind discourse gets on my nerves for this segment of the "protest" vote.

@Veza85UE @pmroman I believe in this view: The surge of populism is not caused by change in society or in people. What is new is the way for these views to be expressed and agregated. Formerly, the system / the elites had not allowed these to be expressed / agregated / accepted; lately, populists find a way to express themselves, to aggreagate, to be acceptable(?). I suggest: We don't analyse them. We accept, they are, as they are. We concentrate on the rest of our societies. On our agenda

@abolitionniste @pmroman
Oh, I do agree that sociopathy and greed are probably immutable across the ages and for a long time, they were the norm among our "elites", they didn't block it. We just evolved institutions that made our societies better. That's what they hate. Can't just beat your wife anymore (plenty still do, but in some places it's riskier), can't just treat your workers like slaves (plenty still do, etc), can't just bully the gay kid (plenty...), can't just dump toxic waste on

@abolitionniste @pmroman public grounds (this one's more localised), can't just steal water from rapidly desertifying national parks because you own the mayor and your strawberry crop profits dipped by 5% last summer (can't have that), etc etc. Grift from interested parties is often forgotten in discussing reactionary votes, it's all about the "left behind" (as if poor people don't have any morals or good sense) and genuflecting to the bigotry of the "plebes" because they don't know any better.

@abolitionniste @pmroman
Left behind fash chateau owner/ winemaker/RN MP De Fournas did complain loudly about not making enough money as a "farmer who feeds us" so... Anyway, "populism" is a meaningless buzzword to me, I call them sociopaths and grifters. And you may not be interested in them, but they're interested in making your life worse by wrecking institutions that are our guardrails and the guardrails for people who truly are poor and vulnerable (like the winemaker's harvest pickers).

@abolitionniste @pmroman
So ignoring them might work where they're a fringe group, but not when they impose their crap in public debate and infect everything with their lies. Your neighbour Slovakia seems to be a clear example of this, but I don't know enough about it.

@Veza85UE @pmroman , Yes

I am not ignoring "them". I propose not to analyse them, not to argue with them, not to think about them, not to get angry at them. I propose that "we" should orgainse ourselves and fight for our truth, our values, our goals, our dreams... I claim that mastodoning is not enough. I claim it is sucking "our" energy we should better use elsewhere. I am proposing a Union-wide force(?) under the banner " - World Power of Good". Some notes about: https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=888#p888

@abolitionniste @pmroman
But I LIKE wasting my time on here.
And I don't do movements, I'm a terrible fit for movements of any kind, not my thing.

Thanks for the book recommendation! I hated Menasse's euro-fiction because that's familiar territory for me and his writing of female characters was laughably bad, but this sounds like he'd be far more competent at. Bookmarked,

@Veza85UE , here is some reaction to your toot:

https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=890#p890

It is a short letter to you, but it might be as well addressed to @andresimous or @KlausGerdGiesen or @pmroman or @rainerzufall_le or many more of "us"

@abolitionniste Nobody should ever rely on me or take me THAT seriously! Thank you, that's very kind, but I'm just an opinionated shitposter for the most part, wikipedia has much better info. I love talking to other Europeans about the EU because it's not like there's that many of us I can talk to about it at the bar (except every 5 years around elections time). You can contact the respective MEPs about their group. But I'm not the right person especially because I don't care about Global EU.